Just got back from the range. 4 hours of fun. The 17 HMR is dialed in and found that the 22 mag likes heavier bullets. 40 grain did well now to find some 45 grain. Paul R shot the 416 once; it appeared that was enough for him. Still high at 50 yards with the express sights. We got Paul's hog gun, Marlin 336 in 30 WCF shooting good. Had to move the rear sight quite a bit but now is a true 3 MOA. This is his hog gun. His 223 is dead nuts on. Of course he has been shooting all summer. Met great people at the range and learned that a muzzle brake can change the POI considerably. A young couple were there with a 10/22. The young lady shot better than her husband. LOL