I just read about Buffalo Bore's new 190 grain bullet for 30 WCF. It sounds good and I may try to get hold of some. Go to their website and look for 28A 30-30 ammo. At 150 yards it drops, IIRC, 1.2 inches from a 0 at muzzle. I could be wrong in that so am looking for confirmation. Sounds like a good black bear load.