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    Over here some years ago a .222 Rimmed was devloped for use in Martini cadet actions .The data was 222 data reduced by 5% I have never been a fan of the .222 as a hunting round really beliving whilst it was a great Target round it lacked the power to really hit hard out at any great distance when it came to Roos ! I have the oppertunity to obtain a barrel for a cadet action & was thinking of maybe rechambering the barrel to 6mm & developing loads for a 6mmx222R in the hope of maybe giving the round a little more punch ! Any ideas, opions ?


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    6mmTCU (6mm-223Rem or 6x45mm) is built on the longer .223 case. That was supposed to be capable of taking deer sized game with no problems. There were also 6.5mm, 7mm, and .30 versions. I will be building a .30/.223 on a Contender carbine eventually - in the same class as the .30-30 and 7.62x39 - a little higher pressure to make up for smaller powder capacity. I plan on using it for hunting and cast booliting with weights from 100-150gr. It has been a good performer for silhouettes with up to 200gr bullets, but the heavy ones don't go fast enough to kill cleanly. I believe that there was a rimmed version of the case for European combination guns, but I can't find a listing for it in COTW.
    The Whisper cartridges, 6mm, 6.5mm, 7mm, & .30 are all built on the shorter .221 case. They are primarily for sils with heavy bullets, but are still capable hunting rounds if the ranges are reasonable and the shot placement is careful.
    Since the Whispers are adequate, I would think the 6mm/.222 with slightly more powder capacity ought to be a good performer on something deer or roo sized out to 150 yards or so with an 80-100gr bullet. It's certainly not in the .243 class, but for the short ranges you have mentioned, it should work just fine. I don't know how strong the Martini action is, but even if you could only load it to the same performance levels as the Whisper you'd still have a usable performer.
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    I rang my Barrel maker today & put the question to him about the rechambering job & after the pregnat pause he replied (with a voice that sounded like something from the Exosit ) That yes it would be possible & yes if I promise never to bother him again with another Wildcat & stop telling everybody that he makes barrels using mild steel (some people have no sence of humor ) He'll not only do the job but will ream a set of dies to Fit the chamber ! What a Guy........Same he makes Barrels that are that Bent they shoot round cnrs !!!!!! (Hey I only said no to mild steel !)


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    Hi Dave

    I'm not familiar with the Cadet either but if that's punch you're looking for what about the 7-30 Waters?
    Ctges Of The World says that some .310 Martini actions were proofed at up to 60000 psi and chambered in 357 and 44 Mag...

    about th 7-30:
    http://www.reloadingroom.com/page29.html
    http://www.chuckhawks.com/7-30Waters_Imp.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by kg42
    Hi Dave

    I'm not familiar with the Cadet either but if that's punch you're looking for what about the 7-30 Waters?
    Ctges Of The World says that some .310 Martini actions were proofed at up to 60000 psi and chambered in 357 and 44 Mag...

    about th 7-30:
    http://www.reloadingroom.com/page29.html
    http://www.chuckhawks.com/7-30Waters_Imp.htm
    Kg I played round with the 7-30 a couple of years ago based on a martini cadet action as well as the 30 Herrot ! Both were great rounds (and still are ) It's just I get bored & start thinking what if I .........? PLus the Fact it keeps My barrel maker occupied trying to satisfy my whims (come to think about it I did the same thing with his father before him ) I like to think of it as a harmless hobbie !

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    Dave, does he make the barrels himself?
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    Have you heard about that new chinese 5.8 mm caliber? I just zipped through an article at the store....Think about the challenge of getting hunting bullets

    And that 6.8 (277?) Remington caliber based on a modified 35 case? You could make your rimmed ones with some good old .303?

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    Quote Originally Posted by versifier
    Dave, does he make the barrels himself?
    Yes the Firm is called Sprinter arms & has been round as long as I can remember I won't use any other type of barrel! Even when I buy a New rifle it goes straight to sprinters for a new barrel ! They still use the Old methord of dragging one groove at a time & then drive a Brass Rod with a small ball on the end to remove any high points or imperfections (virtily the Barrel is run in before you get it ) THe origanal owner (long dead now ) Was a avid wild catter ! He would also ask wht weight bullet you planed to use & custom the twist to that weight ! He was the most Foul tempered so & so I have encountered ! It was more than once I ! Ran out of his workshop with a Blank flying after me ! When you picked up a rifle he would open the back doors of his shop & fire your rifle into a Big Old Oak in his back yard (it has been a long disscussed tpic of how many tons of lead & copper were shot into that tree over the years ! His son now runs the show & whilst being calmer than his father still pretends to hate us all !

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    How much $ do his barrels run? (chambering and fitting, too)
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    Quote Originally Posted by versifier
    How much $ do his barrels run? (chambering and fitting, too)
    Average price is $400.00 Chambered & fitted Re chambering & reboreing Average about $380.00 (this is in Australian Dollars ) For a standard weight & contour Barrel . Stainless & medium barrels of course are higher But they do have a amazing selection of reamers ! Nothing seem's to Faze Keith over much (apart from aligations of mild steel barrels & bent barrels )

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