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Thread: Wheelers, Rollers--how I love 'em!

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    For wheel guns, I'm thinking about putting up for consignment,my Thompson
    Contender, and quite possibly, my Auto Ordnance M1911A1 45.
    See my post on "Single Shot" thread.
    With the money, turning it into a 45 Colt clone.This one, would have to be a
    4 5/8" to 5" barrel.Just maybe one with a 45 ACP cylinder.
    I do have quite a bunch of 45 ACP,loaded and brass. At least the 45 ACP loads won't go to waste.
    Think I'm done with the M1911A1. Although I still like it, just unreliable.
    Sure would hate to find this out with a wild dog,or coyote attack.
    Hunting revolvers are Ruger 44 mag RedHawk, and a F.A. Model 83 Field Grade 454 Casull.
    Don't remember if I told about my score with SDSO (San Diego (County)
    Sheriff's Office) in the early 70's. In short, a possible 300.
    My score was a 297. Rangemaster was an ex-Green Beret. He told me about
    the scoring.
    What did I do it with ? An S+W Model 28, 4" 357 mag. On top of this, a couple of rangemasters said my sights were off ! I don't think so. Mine were
    set up for me.So, how could I get a 297 out of a possible 300 ? Se la vie.
    Seems like my favorites are the revolvers.
    And, you know what ? With this new/used 45 Colt copy,just HAVE to get a
    western leather rig kit from Tandy Leather in Sacramento.
    Another excuse,huh ?
    An excuse, to have more excuses ! AAHH, the fun of revolvers and reloading !
    And, one more time "What do you need another gun for ?" Is what my G/F will ask.Probably shake her head....again. Got her "city blinders" on.
    We are having more fun than the law allows !
    Maybe next year, an Armi Sharps 45-70,ladder rear,32-34" barrel.New or used.
    Or if the price is right (sure NOT the game show !) for a Pedersoli 45-70.
    Might hop on over to the Italian Cowboy Shooters site.
    See y'all later.

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    Talking We Don't Need No Stinking Brass Pukers!!!

    I'm with you, over the years I have carried Glock 36, a couple 1911s and a Ruger auto...but I always come back to the wheel gun....6 fer sure is better than 10 on a prayer!

    Besides...a plastic gun ain't got no soul!

    However, if I could only have one gun {Shudder---the thought gives me bad dreams!}, it would be my S&W .45 Colt Mnt Gun.

    For normal warm weather I carry my Ruger SP-101 with a 3 1/4 " bbl, it has been moon clip adapted for more positive extraction and faster reloads (plus I can use the same moon clips for my S&W airweight). For comfortable/cool weather carry I have a 686-4 "Plus" (7 shot) that has also been moon clip adapted, then I had the bbl cut to 3 3/4 inches (just cuz it makes it unique) and a gold bead front sight added...it is a wonderful carry gun.

    For Cold weather though (with heavy clothing), I'm always worried about that .357 expanding, so for CC I use a S&W 625 (.45 ACP) 4 inch. After all, I might have to worry about my .357 expanding, but I never worry about a .45 shrinking!

    If I'm out riding, snow shoeing, trapping or cross country skiing (cuz it seems to be winter here more than anything else) then I carry my SW Mnt Gun in .45 Colt....I like John Tappins evaluations of it. Lots of penetration and hit without the high pressure of the .44 mag.

    Don't get me wrong...I like the .44 mag, but if I'm out trapping, (especially on snow shoes)and cross one of our many growing wolf packs, I'd rather throw a .454 cast slug instead of a .429.

    Maybe I'm compensating for something?


    Anyways...thats the word from the Frozen Northwoods!

    This is a great forum..I've been on the Cast Boolits for a while, but just found this place.

    Glad to be here!
    “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” – John 3:16

    That still amazes me…I don’t care who you are or how much I care about you, I would never let you kill my son. I can’t even begin to understand how much He loves us.

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    Cayoot !!
    Welcome to the board !!
    Kick back, have some coffee or a brew. OOPS !. I'm not in "True West Magazine" forums !
    Since it's cold out there, have some coffee.
    The 45 Colt, what it sort of lacks in power,it makes bigger holes.The 45 sure ain't no
    pipsqueek,by any means.
    I hope to shortly, get my chronograph to find out what speed those high pressure Colts'
    that I've been reloading,are going.
    Here's what I have done: (45 Colt) re-cut deeper to accept rifle primers.250 gr hard cast,
    and a healthy dose of H-110 powder. Shot fine. No pressure signs. Also used N-110, the
    powder from Finland.Since no load info for the N-110 powder in 45 Colt,used the info from
    45 WIN Mag. As the case capacities are roughly the same.Went to about mid-range on the loads. These too, shot fine. The 45 WinMags are kinda-sorta similar to the 44 magnum.
    Yep, had to to my homework for a lot of this stuff. It is not easy.
    A few weeks ago, I re-cut 400, 45 Colt cases.
    For the 454 Casull, been using 250 gr,same bullet as in the 45 Colt.Loading sheet from
    Freedom Arms, 35.0 gr of H-110 powder. Loading sheet is for the 260 gr. Will get these chrono'd.See what the results are.OH YEAH ! Gotta see how those 45-70 loads do,too !
    Will almost bet, that the recoil should be milder.These, are black powder.
    The real stuff.
    My next batch that I buy next year, will not be modified.
    Chompin at the bit for that new/used 45 Colt copy.Barrel will be shorter. My Model 83 F.A.
    is 6". The Ruger RedHawk is 7 1/2". My huntin guns.
    Gotta go.
    Enjoy the board.
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    Richard beat me to it Welcome to the guide Cayoot
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    Cool .357 will do the job

    I trust my life and that of my children to revolvers. The only thing that will jam one is not crimping your loads. My take is that even if a .357 slug doesn't expand due to it's hollow point getting clogged up with winter clothing, drilling one through someone's chest will still likely stop them in their tracks anyway. Load 158 or 180gr flat points if it worries you, they'll expand at .357 velocities just fine. Not to imply that the .44 or .45 won't do the job, the .357 is just easier to handle and quicker on followup shots.
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    But if they mean to have a war let it begin here."
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    Thanks Guys!

    I can see that this is my kind of place, just like the Cast Boolits forum is. Now I have 2 places to hang out!

    Besides...I still love wheel guns above all. Only brass puker I have is an old Hi-Standard Sport King .22lr that was handed down by my father. That's the only one I plan on owning!
    “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” – John 3:16

    That still amazes me…I don’t care who you are or how much I care about you, I would never let you kill my son. I can’t even begin to understand how much He loves us.

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    Got to have a 9mm just to shoot that $4 ammo. There good for girls to, got one for sis when we go shooting. She don't like shooting the 45. She's very good with the 38
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    Red face

    My wife has a bad case of carpul tunnel combined with other hand problems. She cannot hold a gun with much recoil or weight and she cannot work the slide on any auto we've tried (even my .22lr).

    So I decided that the best hand gun for her was a S&W airweight (.38 spl) loaded with 158 gr SWC. I have fiddled with the loadings (letting her test the recoil of each load) until she settled on a boolit moving at 700 to 750 fps. It is still a .38 and being a 158 gr SWC I have faith that the boolit will reach vital organs. It doenst have much recoil ( a bit more than a .32) but it still make .38 holes. She practices double taps so she still puts 3/4 inch worth of hole in her target...more air in, more blood out.

    I think she is as well armed as I can make her, and I believe that it will be good enough if she is ever unfortunate enough to need to use it.

    I could never taylor a load like this for her if she carried a brass puker!
    “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life” – John 3:16

    That still amazes me…I don’t care who you are or how much I care about you, I would never let you kill my son. I can’t even begin to understand how much He loves us.

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    Cool .38spec's

    I like the 158HP's (both cast and jacketed), too, in my S&W mod 36 (actually it was made before they started numbering the models or lettering the frame sizes - older than I am, but being steel, it doesn't know that!). But, the 125's will generate less recoil, if you can find a load that will shoot to point of aim for the fixed sights. It sounds like your sweetie can handle the snubbie without problems, though! I'm very partial to Alliant's Unique with 158JHP's for both .38spec (5.0gr) and .357mag (8.2gr). Still testing 125's in .38spec, but as my shop is unheated I will probably not be doing too much loading until things warm up a bit come spring. My .357mags (S&W's - m19, 27,686) all like 9.0gr Unique with the 125's though.
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    Hi versifier,
    Don't know if anyone welcomed you or not.
    So, WELCOME to the board ! If someone has, then re-welcome !
    Got to finish up on the computer.Sometimes, being a computer tech, can pull your hair out.
    Have to find some more audio software. This thing has to work !
    See ya.
    Never get caught with your pants down.
    Makes it hard to run.
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