just venting about anti-gun experience

[gp1]

Just had to vent about an experience I had yesterday.

I went to my bank to get a money order for my fingerprint fee since I need a duplicate firearms ID card since I moved. ( I know that I should not need to get printed again, but since many pd's like to make up their own rules it is not worth arguing with my local pd over this and potentially causing issues or tension)

While I was getting the money order the cashier noticed the paper from the police dept that had the fees listed and probed as to what the money order was for and if I had gotten in trouble for tickets or something similar. I found this odd and slightly insulting so I explained that it was for a fingerprint fee for a firearms ID card. I should have kept my mouth shut- as soon as I said this one of the other tellers proceeded to act very dramatic and started saying that she was very scared ( the teller I was with joined in) and that she hated "those things" and that people "like me" scared her. Then they started asking if I had a gun on me??????????

My responce was - " no- and ignporant people like you scare me."

As you can tell I am still fuming about this today. I though of going back and talking to the branch manager but I doubt it will help, I am still considering it though.
I am just fed up with guns and gun owners being demonized.

Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to get this off my chest
Ilya

[versifier]

A letter to both the branch manager and his/her area manager/supervisor are in order. Make it polite, calm in tone, and include all of the details you posted, and at the bottom of each letter, type "cc: (name of the other recipient)". Tell how you felt both threatened and alienated by the actions of the tellers while lawfully exercising your civil rights as an American citizen as guaranteed by the US Constitution, and that you are as a result very reluctant to do any further business in the future with any business whose employees not only did not respect the privacy of a customer, but would treat any law abiding citizen in such an outrageous manner. Don't threaten them and don't demand anything from them. See if you get a response. If not, or if the response is not acceptable to you, change banks and send copy(s) of the letter(s) to your local paper. We do not need to put up with such treatment, and if our protests are made in a reasonable, calm, and polite manner, we are more likely to be able to convince those sitting on the fence. You are placing the bank manager in a no win situation, and the easiest way out of it for him/her is to apologize to you, and by sending a copy to his/her boss at the same time you insure that the matter is not swept under the rug.

[JJB2]

it seems again like the sixties are a problem here...... all that free love and peace crap! i grew up in the sixties and alot of these people made me want to puke then and now they have raised kids and grandkids........... you will never change these peoples minds about being threatened by an inanimat(sp) object.. i do believe that generation is most of whats wrong with the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA today....... i got into a little discussion with a friend of mine here in town... he owns and prints the local newspaper... he was telling me about an old friend of his and the arsenal he owned.... it kind of disturbed him that he owned so many rifles and other guns.... i calmly said "hey this is AMERICA and as far as i'm concerned he can own as many firearms as he wants....." he's an old IOWA farmer so he can afford to get all he wants.... i'm not too worried about people who have an unwarrented fear of firearms.... it's THEIR problem..............

[gp1]

Versifier- You are right on the money. I need to inform the bank management and I will.

As to the anti-gun mindset I still cannot understand why seemingly intelligent people continue to scape goat an object (firearms) instead of trying to fix the underlying problems. I remember having a discussion years ago with someone who stated that all guns should be banned; Since I knew that logic would not work I told him the following- "first we need to confiscate all trucks and SUV’s and ban all alcohol". He seemed baffled by this so I continued to push the point of how large cars and people who drink kill thousands of people a week. I continued to push my point using the same irrational talking points that anti-gun people use and stressed that "if you care about stopping children from being killed you would agree with me". (Btw- just to be clear, my argument with this person was to demonstrate a point and I do not actually believe in banning the items above)

In the end I still do not get through to him but I have been able to sway some others to where they no longer viewed guns and gun owners as evil.


On a separate but somewhat related note of people refusing to take responsibility for their own actions:
I remember an article from years ago where a man was suing GM because of injuries he sustained in his corvette during a crash. The man had a corvette that he had bought used (the car was 20yrs old when he bought it) and he had wrapped it around a tree while driving drunk and speeding. He claimed that the door hinge had broken in the impact and that his injuries were greater due to that fact.
Unreal- he is drunk, speeding, and in an old used car and still sues the manufacturer because he felt that the door hinge should have survived the car being bent in half.
In a nice instance of clarity the case was thrown out of court by the judge

[sharps 4570]

A truck is setting in front of a bar a rifle hanging in back window. Drunk comes out of bar get in truck drives down highway hit a car full of people kills all. who or what killed the people (the drunk, the truck,the rifle.)

[versifier]

Then there was the fool a few years ago who sued Winnebago. He was driving his new motor home down the interstate and had to use the rest room, so he engaged the cruise control and did just that. Surviving the resulting crash, his claim was that nowhere in the owner's manual did it say this would be a dangerous thing to do. Robert Heinlein said it best "There's no such thing as a dangerous weapon. There are only dangerous men." (And women. And teens.) Ignorance can sometimes be educated, but Darwin has the only real cure for stupid. It's a shame natural selection doesn't assert itself a little more often.

[versifier]

A truck is setting in front of a bar a rifle hanging in back window. Drunk comes out of bar get in truck drives down highway hit a car full of people kills all. who or what killed the people (the drunk, the truck,the rifle.)

The rifle wasn't it?

[JJB2]

Then there was the fool a few years ago who sued Winnebago. He was driving his new motor home down the interstate and had to use the rest room, so he engaged the cruise control and did just that. Surviving the resulting crash, his claim was that nowhere in the owner's manual did it say this would be a dangerous thing to do. Robert Heinlein said it best "There's no such thing as a dangerous weapon. There are only dangerous men." (And women. And teens.) Ignorance can sometimes be educated, but Darwin has the only real cure for stupid. It's a shame natural selection doesn't assert itself a little more often.

if that's a true story we are in more trouble than even thought....... like the man said "YOU CAN'T FIX STUPID".............

life is short.....

[gp1]

"can't fix stupid" personal experience I had years ago:

Years ago I was a tech for ford- I had a man come into our dealership with a seized engine with only 38k miles on his car. Upon investigating we found that he had never changed the oil in his car since day 1 ( back then the car had an oil filter from the factory that had no markings on it and was grey in color- this car still had the original oil filter). He admitted that this was indeed the case, but stated that it was still ford's recponcibility since no one had every told him speficaly that it was a requirement to change the oil in a car and it was not his responcibility to read the owners manual.
He complained so much to Ford that sadly they actually split the cost of engine replacement with him.

[armyrat1970]

"can't fix stupid" personal experience I had years ago:

Years ago I was a tech for ford- I had a man come into our dealership with a seized engine with only 38k miles on his car. Upon investigating we found that he had never changed the oil in his car since day 1 ( back then the car had an oil filter from the factory that had no markings on it and was grey in color- this car still had the original oil filter). He admitted that this was indeed the case, but stated that it was still ford's recponcibility since no one had every told him speficaly that it was a requirement to change the oil in a car and it was not his responcibility to read the owners manual.
He complained so much to Ford that sadly they actually split the cost of engine replacement with him.

Stupid is as Stupid does. I would INDEED send a message to the branch manager and to his or her supervisors. If I want to get that kind of abuse I can just stay at home and get it from the wife
That is absurd at the least and fully un-warranted.