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    Swamp,
    Bullseye was designed and introduced for the .38 special specifically for the wadcutter loads bullseye shooters preferred. Hence the name. In 1913, handgun shooters used wheelguns in competition, and .38specs were extremely popular. In fact, they are still one of the biggest selling revolver cartridges today. You aren't old enough to remember it, but 45ACP shooters only later (35 years later) began to discover that Bullseye worked well for them also. It wasn't until after WWII that large numbers began to have much of any interest in .45's (their accuracy in GI versions was abysmal), and pistolsmiths had had a chance to find out what it took to make 1911's really perform on targets. The folks at Alliant have it right as far as what they said, today it is recognized as a great powder for .45ACP, but you have to keep in mind that Bullseye itself has been around quite a bit longer than Alliant has, and certainly much longer than anyone working today in their marketing department.

    "2.7 grs and a 148 wadcutter in the 38 has cut more x-rings than you and I put together will ever see."

    I agree 100% with that statement, even though mine likes 3.0. It was THE standard for the .38spec, and there aren't many newer powders that are as good in that application.
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    Everybody has their story; when you want to put it to a target, let me know.

    Bullseye still doesn't belong in a magnum load under any circumstances if you're looking for anything more than a bang.

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    bullseye is definately not a " magnum" powder.
    reddot has it's place too.
    but i think if you want magnum performance you need the slower powders, it's just the right thing to do.
    IMO.
    2400 has worked pretty well with the mid-range loads i have tried it in.
    the only cartridge it ever gave me any difficulty in was a 44 mag. [strange i know]
    but a hotter primer fixed the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by swamp View Post
    You're doing something wrong if you cant find a good magnum load with 2400 and I'll add; 2400 and Bullseye are as opposite a powder characteristic as there can be; you're doing something very wrong.

    What is the process you go through to determine what load is best? And what is "SD"?

    if i'm doing it wrong i like how the results are............... i hit what i'm trying to with a 6"s&w model 27 and lyman 150 gr. homecast swcs... SD is STANDARD DEVIATION..... the difference in velocity from shot to shot...... my reloads are around 12 fps........ federal factory loads are twice that at least..... these were compared by shooting over a chonograph........ i can get 1230 fps consistantly with bullseye powder and that's what a .357 magnum should have for velocity with that weight of bullet....................i use 6.2 grs of bullseye where i would use about 15 grs. 2400 for the same results...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB2 View Post
    i use 6.2 grs of bullseye where i would use about 15 grs. 2400 for the same results...................
    That statement makes it painfully clear you don't even understand the concept of what I'm trying to tell you. Enjoy your loads.

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    part of what swamp is saying is, that if 15 grs will fit in there 15 grs of bullseye will fit in there too,....well..once anyways.
    i wonder what the pressure is on 6,grs of bullseye in a 38 special case.
    it,s what close to 40 in a 357 case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by runfiverun View Post
    part of what swamp is saying is, that if 15 grs will fit in there 15 grs of bullseye will fit in there too,....well..once anyways.
    NO, not at all what I'm saying.

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    Default heheheheh..................

    i know swamp..... i'm not as think as you dumb i am........................ happy easter!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by runfiverun View Post
    part of what swamp is saying is, that if 15 grs will fit in there 15 grs of bullseye will fit in there too,....well..once anyways.
    i wonder what the pressure is on 6,grs of bullseye in a 38 special case.
    it,s what close to 40 in a 357 case?

    when using bullseye powder you have to be very careful how many grs. you put in the case.... 6-6.2 is all you want to use with a .357 magnum case... always look into the full shell loading tray to compare levels of podwer and check loads with a scale after each loading tray full of ammo loaded................. anywhere near 15 grs. of bullseye would be a disaster in a .357 magnum case................ i've never had any signs of too much pressure on my .357 magnum cases........
    Last edited by JJB2; 04-12-2009 at 08:21 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJB2 View Post
    i know swamp..... i'm not as think as you dumb i am........................ happy easter!!
    Well lets say that downloading the Google Toolbar and using spell checker would improve your image a lot just not your reloading finesse. But then apparently some people strive for excellence and some for cheap; you are a master of cheap, you have beat the system.

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