The best cast load I found so far with my Marlin 45-70 is 40 grains of IMR 4198 under a 420 grain GC cast bullet. :-D
This load clocked in at 1706 and Winchester LR primers were used.[smilie=w:
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The best cast load I found so far with my Marlin 45-70 is 40 grains of IMR 4198 under a 420 grain GC cast bullet. :-D
This load clocked in at 1706 and Winchester LR primers were used.[smilie=w:
My fav & my Marlins is a 405 cast being pushed along with 28gns of 4198 & a winchester case & large rifle primer of the same breed! I also for lighter game like a 300 gn cast with a load of 31gns of 4227 with the same case primer combo !
Welcome to the site as well great to see you over here
Dave
Thanks Dave, I wish I had all your hunting opportunities and I'm glad you take the time to post your funny stories and the hunting ones too. :-D
Belive it or not this is how, I keep what little sanity I have left ! I broke my own record last night haveing shot 2.7 tonne of Roos (80 with two trips to the Chiller to unload ) Today I can hardly move as I'm so sore & sorry for myself! THe missus went into town this morning in my work Toyota & had a major run in with some tourists who made the fatal mistake of saying to their kids ....."Look there's one of those Horrible people who kill Kangaroos !!!!!" & people who have rifles hanging in the back of their vehicle should be arrested!!!! Well the Wife apparently took offense to this & gave them what for! Using profanities with the skill that a painter uses oils! Now this was funny until I went into town this afternoon & the Local Copper asked me to lay off the tourists (having thought this was me that had gone off the deep end at the people :-| ) Yeah I like these forums I don't tend to get into any strife !:coffee:Quote:
Originally Posted by 303carbine
Dave
Hi Dave
Well it sounds to me like your wife is a keeper. Standing up for her man isn't all bad. I might have told the copper to mind his own business but then that is just me. Trust your wife told the tourists to do the same.
My Oilers lost in overtime to Detroit last night so I am in a funk today. Catch up to you on the week-end. Had an interesting week at the range to be sure, what with my Kaboom and all.
Take Care
If there is a tourist season, are they open all year round??? :confused: Anyways Dave the wife did good and people should mind their own damn biz.:mrgreen:
Hey Canuck44, do you know Riflechair on gunnutz?? He is up in your neck of the woods in Thornhill, I think he is a Ranger.
Up the same alley, we have a popular tshirt around here that says "Why do they call it tourist season if we're not allowed to shoot them?" Wear it with a camo hat and they keep their mouths shut and don't bother you at all. :mrgreen:
I played with the Idea years ago of applying for Tags to cull out Tourists all year round & sell the skins as"Wet suits" to Divers & Water skiers & the like ! Differant sizes & colours !:twisted: But I worked out that for the Financial return it was too labour intensive! So I'm just waiting for a culling contract to come up :coffee:
Dave
Riflechair - yea good fellow. Thornhill is across the river from Terrace. We shoot at the same range of course. He looks after the rifle range, hence his handle. Keep telling him I am going to buy a .303 #4 Mke 1 Longbranch and show him what a gun like that will do but I have to get a Tanfoglio "L" model first. There is a JUngle Carbine on the forum right now that should be mine but it will have to wait until I have my new pistol in my hands as well.
Take Care
Oilers 4 Red Wings 2 - the Universe is back in plain.
I have done lots of buying and swappin' with Richard on gunnutz...........:mrgreen:
Hey, D-O-K... if you think you and yours get funny looks from the tourists let me tell you a story. You'll probably be giving me some funny looks when I get done.
For reasons too lengthy to explain on a forum I turned vegetarian (vegan, actually) several years ago. But I still believe strongly in the ethics of hunting. When I retired and moved back to Montana I got involved in helping put on a hunt for the handicapped ( no, we don't shoot at them... we put them in blinds and dog for them) . And due to a lifelong passion of hunting, and having worked for the
U. S. Fish & Wildlife Service as a career, I am, without quesion, the best guide of the bunch. Not a brag. It's just a matter of experience. The funny part comes after the hunt when we are all sitting around telling of our hunts for antelope and deer and the guy who puts on the hunt shocks the hunters by telling them of the irony that his best guide is a vegetarian. There's always a moment of silence. But then someone always says it's really great that I still believe in the hunt ethic and am willing to help with the hunt. The rancher who puts the hunt on always puts the record straight when he declares that I might be a vegetarian but I'm still his best guide. Kind of funny, isn't it?
Are you giving me funny looks yet?
No strange Looks from this side of the Pond LD ! I reckon it's great that your doing something for a section of the hunting community that is quite often overlooked ! I dips me hat to you ! I worked a patch for several years that my nearest shooter was also a vegian & it never crossed my mind that he was in a strange line of work .Due to the fact of his choosen diet . I say Keep up the Good work Old son !!!!
Dave
Appreciate your attitude, d-o-k. It really makes my day when I can put a handicapped onto a good deer and see them take one home. You wouldn't believe how grateful they are. I also shoot all the antelope and deer I can and give them to needy folks. There are lots of elderly and single moms who can use the meat. I love the outdoors and hunting, am good at it, believe in it, and enjoy it even though I no longer eat it. I do miss a good whitetail steak though. Nothing better! Sneaking through the woods with a Contender or my old .45-70 buffalo rifle is what I live for.
I reckon what your doing is great ! Too many shooter's/Hunters seem to forget that we must put back into what we do ,from what we get out of it ! I've made a point over the years of taking people out to work with me for a variety of reasons ! Normaly their Kids who want to take up the Job & have no idea of what it intails ! I think that supplying the Needy (I mean that with the upmost respect for those who are struggleing with low pensions & high Food prices) Is one of the Highest callings that a hunter can forfill !
Dave
Dogs, I applaud your attitude, and for very personal reasons. You see, I am disabled, and I would not be able to hunt at all if it were not for a bunch of really caring and understanding friends. I am not on wheels yet, but I am not really steady on my feet and sound like an entire football team when walking through the woods. :-D I just sneak in early and sit myself down where I have a good view of where everything's going to come along. It doesn't hurt that I load most of the ammo we all use, or that they can count on me to hit whatever gets pushed by me. I miss bird hunting the most, and I lost my 13yr old close working springer three years ago. In another year I should be living where I can safely replace her (I am living on a very busy road right at present.) A borrowed dog is just not the same.
At first, it was very humiliating to have to admit that I could no longer hunt alone, but again, my friends understand and it seems like I have never had to ask. There's always an "aren't you coming with us?" phone call. I am very aware that I am incredibly lucky to be so rich in friends and that most in my position would be "Up Shit Creek without a paddle." The photo below is a good reminder to me of the importance of good friends in a man's life.
What you do makes such a difference in the quality of a disabled person's life, and to ease the desparation of trying to put food on the family table with very limited resources is among the most worthwile things any person can do in this world. It may not seem like a big thing to you, but happiness is the sum of many, many little things taken together.
Veggies and people with reduced mobility are the least of my problems around guns http://forums.1911forum.com/images/smilies/biglaugh.gif
I worked with both disabled and "normal" students (in non-gun stuff) and found the first category much more rewarding; it seems that sometimes brains and personalities won't develop in a healthy body....
kg
gents
Have just playing w reloading a new 45-70 w 3130 45 gr and behind a 300 lrn is milled and accurate
That'll work!
Some years ago I tried 52 or 53 IMR 3031 with the 457122 Lyman out of my Douglas barrelled Siamese Mauser. VERY stout, but the accuracy just wasn't what I wanted. I'm afraid the boolit was just a little undersized.:???:
I've tried up to 49gr. of 3031 behind a 330gr and 405gr cast with good results out of a T/C contender. Groups are decent until my hand begins to swell. Anywhere from 21-26 grains of 2400 with a 1/2" dracon fiber fill is much easier on the hand. These loads also work well in my 1895CB Marlin.
Everybody still awake? Getting late here in Kansas but I got no place to go tomorrow anyway so I'll let the sun up before me. Hope everyone is staying well. I like reading all the "stuff" you guys put out. Keep all the good advice coming and the bad advice-as long as I know the difference! Seriously, I have learned a lot since I found this site.
Some time ago I said I was going to buy a Marlin XLR in 45-70 (as soon as my BANKER-spelled w-i-f-e said I could) Well, she did and then I did! Its a beauty and I think heavier with the laminated stock. I decided my 60+ year old shoulder didn't need the trauma so I worked up a load using the new Trail Boss powder. I bought some starline brass, WW standard large primers and some .010 card wads. I have a RCBS 310 grain RNFP gas check design mould and used DGL lube and no gas check- just the card wad between the powder and the bullet. I started with 15 grains of Trail Boss- had some blowback. I increased up to 17.5 grains then back down to 16.5 grains with a firm crimp in the crimp groove. I started at 50 yards while chronographing (1280 FPS average) then went out as far as 200 yards shooting at steel silhouettes. First off, the recoil was almost as much as my current load in my Winchester in 44 mag but not quite. That resolved the recoil problem and the card wads work really well and the powder residue is almost nil after 50 rounds. The brass comes out with almost no residue and ready for the next reload. I also tried 56 grains of AA3100 which I had on the shelf under that same bullet and card wad. It shot very well too but had a little more recoil than I wanted. The bullet groups very well- within 1-2 inches at 100 yards consistently with the Trail Boss load.
Just thought that you guys who are looking for some data on the Trail Boss Powder could use this. Take care out there!
Dave
Hi dave, thanks for the info :)
I'm especially interested in the wad thing on a GC bullet.
Pvc material has come up in the last two days at CBA and CBoolits (with joeb), and Paco Kelly has long used that kind of trick, mostly made out of styrofoam meat package....
What beats me is that it works with gc shanks, but that's very good news!
Hey kg42! I haven't tried pvc material but did use some styrofoam in the past in a .357 load. I was a little concerned about "gumming up the works" with the styrofoam. The card wad idea came from shooting BPCR competition where I use a .060 vegetable wad (could that be just for vegetarians-heh heh?) under a 523 grain roundnose bullet over 62 grains of FFF Swiss. I can't totally vouch for accuracy with the BPCR but my scores are improving since I switched from a plain based boolit without the wad. Maybe I'm just getting luckier! I thought about loading up some of the same 317 grain boolits over the Trail Boss powder but without card wads-but decided if it ain't broke- don't fix it. I don't shoot the Trail Boss powder at the BPCR matches but only at the lever action silhouette matches.
Well, here's some "follow-up" on using the 317 grain GC (RCBS Mold) over 16.5 grains of Trail Boss Powder and .010 card wads. I shoot the lever action cowboy silhouettes here in Kansas and have taken 2nd Place in the last 2 matches with my Marlin XLR in 45-70. My shoulder feels pretty good after the matches and I know those 200 yard rams hate to see me coming now. I really enjoy shooting this load. I have been told that some people started off with my load and have gone up as high as 18.0 grains because they had some blow back on their cases. I can't say they saw any improvement and I'm the one taking home the Silver. The 1st place shooter uses 5744 but won't divulge his load info. Another good thing about Trail Boss is that I use standard primers (Federal) while most people use magnums. I am now looking at Trail Boss for my WW 94 in 44 mag. I think about 8.0 grains with a 245 grain cast SWC will get my vote but the election isn't over yet. I'll keep you posted. Be careful out there!
Daveb
Well, there's more follow-up on that 45-70 load I started with in my Marlin. I decided to try a little experimenting with Trail Boss powder (after I bought a 5 lb. keg) to see how much powder in could get behind that 317 grain bullet I mentioned. I talked to the powers that be at the manufacturer. They said I couldn't get enough powder in the case to cause damage to the rifle. And, being the curious sort I am I set out to see. I started with 17.5 grains which shot well with not much in the recoil department. No sign of excess pressure, so I loaded up some with 18.0, 18.5, 19.0, 19.5, 20.0 and 21.0 grains. I used standard primers, W/W brass, .030 card wads rather than gas checks. I also cast the bullets from regular unquenched or hardened wheel weight metal. The recoil picked up a little at about 19.5 grains but the brass ejected clean without much flattening of the primer and I noticed there was a sharper report than with the initial charges. After shooting 10 rounds of the 21.0 grain load, I again checked the cartridges (no blowback or sign of unburned powder either in the case or the barrel. The primer did show some flattening but not any more than a fullhouse 44 magnum load in my 94 Winchester Legacy. I did notice a small amount of leading at the muzzle but none in the other end. The cartridges all ejected smoothly. The report was noticeably sharper and the recoil was increased but not uncomfortable. I think the traces of leading at the muzzle was due to lack of a hard lube. I use DGL lube on all my loads now and it really works well. I'm now thinking of using about 16.5 grains for the chickens and pigs silhouettes (50 and 100 yards), then stepping up to 18.0 grains for the Turkeys and Rams (150 and 200 yards). Hope this information is useful to someone. Now, if I could just get this stuff (Trail Boss) to work in my .357 Winchester Legacy I would be very happy. Take care out there and have a Merry Christmas!
Three cheers to d-o-k's wife. We have people in WV feel the same way about whitetail deer. I wish they would keep their comments to themselves.
this is too funny :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by d-o-k
For a mild, easy shooting load in the .45-70 try 14 gr Trail Boss under a 300 or 350 gr bullet. Acurate and fun to shoot.
GH1