Howdy folks!
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Howdy folks!
Welcome Doc! Glad you made it.
For the regulars here, a little history might be in order.
We've been regulars on the Reload Bench (AKA The RLB) for some time. The RLB inexplicably died with no word from the admin, Greg about what happened.
The RLB had temporarily died before, so a member called Sedstar set up a backup board on Lefora as a "bomb shelter" as he called it. Well the bomb shelter turned into a refugee camp when the RLB went down for good. But before that happened, the board was migrated to Yuku, which has all sorts of problems, too many to go into here.
We developed a wildcat cartridge called the 264 RLB as a community project on the RLB. It is a 6.8 SPC, necked down to 6.5mm and with the body blown out and the shoulder blown forward.
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I have killed a number of deer and coyotes with it, and a hog. It is an amazingly efficient cartridge with killing power far beyond it's size.
Here are a few of the kills:
My first kill with the 264 RLB.
130 grain Swift Scirocco
29.5 gr AA25520
2560 fps
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One of the coyotes was shot in the ear at 420 yards!
120 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip
30 gr AA2520
2660 fps
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As far as I know, this is the biggest deer killed with the 264 RLB
130 gr Nosler Accubond
33 gr Reloder 17
2470 fps
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This shows just how small the cartridge is:
(the Accubond load)
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Welcome to the board Dr. Henley and glad to see versifer. This is Mike in TX from the RLB. Miss the board but this is a very good board. I understand that Clayt is coming aboard also. Hope to see many others from RLB.
Howdy from Central Alberta.
Is the 264RLB about the same size as the 6mmPPC?
thanks Ken.
Almost identical case capacity, but the 264 RLB is much more efficient. The 264 RLB gets roughly the same velocity with 130 grain bullets that the 6mmPPC gets with 107 grain bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by kodiak1
The 6.5mm bullets get phenomenal penetration with their very high sectional density. That's why Karamojo Bell liked to use the 6.5x54mm Mannlicher-Schoenauer on elephant (which has similar ballistics to the 264 RLB.) I have yet to recover a bullet.
When we first came up with the specs, there were some who doubted whether the cartridge would be effective on deer. It turned out to be a solid 300 yard deer cartridge.
With the original throating, there was a problem seating longer bullets like the 130 grain Accubond. On my second 264 RLB, I had it throated to allow 130 grain bullets to be seated way out.
Howdy Doc, maybe we should call our group the RLB Gypsies? Mark
i have to admit that i like most things 6.5 ...( my other love is .375 ) unlike many i've never seen anything wrong with ye olde humble 6.5 jap [shrugz] i've also found that with more ummm efficient cartridges the softer/lighter projectiles dont do too shabby and tend not to blow up as much as they would in say an extremely overbored round , seems in today's quest for bigger badder so called best many forget that no matter the caliber shot placement is everything
sometime when i have more time i'll compare it to the jap as well as one that kinda took my eye , the 6.5 x 39 , yes i know that it wouldnt be the same as my 6.5 x 284 by any means but that makes it none the less worthy ( it is a 6.5 after all !!! :twisted: )
Another advantage of an underbore round is that when you make a shot at dusk, you don't get blinded by the muzzle flash and can watch the impact of the round.
When hunting with the big boomers, I rarely got to actually see the moment of impact. A number of times I lost sight of the deer altogether when I pulled the trigger.
BTW, the 6.5 Jap uses about 10 grains more powder than the 264 RLB, and gets about 100-200 fps less velocity.
okay...
after a week OFFLINE due to white stuff and ice (clearly formed by global warming) i got the cble guys out here, and they ran a new line.
so, i am back on line now and have my basic cable TV back.
i registered oo HERE, but if your reading this, you already KNOW that.
one of the three cable workers wanted to use the bathroom? I handed him a BUCKET. he just LOOKED at me, like i had seemed friendly up till handing him the bucket? I explained gloabl warming took out all my water lines right before it attacked the cable lines, LMAO (he declined the use of th bucket... geez, you pay a guy more than 20 dollars an hour, they turn all high fallutin...LMAO)
heck, i plumb *forgot* I'm not at my "home", i'm out and about n some new site... sorry, i lost my considerable presence of mind. No one wants to hear glin jokes about my busted water lines and my "improvised" privvy arrangments, most likely.
To stay on topic? I myself own a 264-RLB as well. I WANNA remember i have, like, serial number 0006 or serial number 0007 or something like that.
Mines a short action winchester action, used to be a 223, another "refugee" who does a lot of wildcatting rebarreled it to the RLB264. (single shot with the long rounds though). Mine is "throated", and it likes a certain brand of 140 grain pills best. When fed exactly what it wants, and its a good day for both me and the gun and the load... i have shot a 3 shot group at 100 yards that had *serious* overlap, were not talking cloverleaf, the first two shots you had to use a digital caliper to prove 2 holes were made, lol...
like a complete IDIOT that i am fully capable of BEING?? i couldnt find the projectile it demands, and i impulse bought some other common 6.5mm 140g pills...
with over 100 rounds of this "bargain 140g load" (full case of i *think* reloader 17?) i found myself trying my gun out at of all places a real thousand yard range. It was MOA all day long out to 300 and 350 yards, before i literally ran out of "dots" to count on my mil dot scope i threw on it. Which being about all the range to shoot a deer at anyways, i called it a day. it was a nightmare day for wind, high wnds, coming and going all day. Switch winds? does not cover it... when you see 6 different wind flags from 100 to 600 pointing in six different directions? you know its bad... then when ONE of them is somehow pointing almost straight UP IN THE AIR ?? well, like Benghazi "this is clearly not optimal", LMAO
for all the wind problems?? th dang thing just dropped straight down th mil dots out to 300 or 350, where i ran out of dots, LMAO
having been given 120 and 130 grainn "fireforming" loads with it?? They were loaded to less velocity, and THEY were doing just under an MOA out to the same distances... i just had to make notes of how many dots right they were from my zero...
i was fairly impressed with the thing... it actually got "monotonous" to hit MOA and just under all day long.
120 grain fireformers? 2 and a half dots to the right... half a dot down for the 100 yard zero... 200 yards out? this many dots down...
...i got to where i had it "timed" so well I just simply SHOT... and grabbed a smoke and LIT the smoke in time with the "ping!" i knew was coming...
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it in one day went from a "novelty" to own it... to being one of my most highly prized posessions, LMAO... and without even the projectile it WANTS to be fed, either, lol... ad i will freely admit? its kind of a "kick" when someone asks about the round i am describing to them?? I can turn around and point to the silkscreen of the CAD drawing on my back of my tshirt...lol
when i SHOW someone the loaded rounds?? I have gotten tired of explaining the ballistics to them, lol... otherwise knowedgeable reloaders?? it short circuits their brain to SEE a tiny cartridge, with a LONG pill in it... and i am claiming it starts out slower than a "real gun" as they put it... but that a couple hundred yards OUT, its high BC lets it RETAIN enough speed, that it beats the bigger guns from then on out.
(they also dont believe it "can" group well at 200 and 300 yards? cos its too tiny to group well, LMAO.)
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i also get a kick out of casually saying... when they say they never heard of the caliber before??
"Oh yeah... mines serial number 0006 or something... theres less than 10 in the world that i know of as of yet"
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ONE of our refugee members?? used it "successfully" at 1000 yards in a competition, LMAO... (i figure hes good at reading wind, which i aint, lol)
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my gun is pretty cool, by my standards. Its fun to shoot paper with, at any reasonable distance... and its got a short barrel on it, its not a heavy gun to lug around all day (like my 223 is a bit of a pig to carry around)
its just... rather accurate, and kinda perfect being a short fairly light gun and all. I CAN shoot a heavier recoiling gun if i want to, but... no real need as this things as calm as a bunny on th bench, its not burning powder i aint "using"
EDITED to ADD:
PS --- apparently? there was "some discussion" that such and such twist rate, with 140g pills ? would not "stabilize"... anyways, i got that scuttlebutt from the refugee who sold me the gun... if memory serves me, it *might* have been DOC H that was arguinf it with the owner i ought it off of?? (I was supposed to make it a point to always "mention it", it was kind of a condition of the sale, LMAO)
after i shot a 3-shot bughole with it?? he asked me if i thought it was "stabilized"... I said something like "I do not know if its stabilized or not... but... if it AINT stabilized? i like the way its unstabilized."
LMAO...
Howdy Doc.
Howdy!Quote:
Originally Posted by RiverRider
It's almost starting to feel like old times again :smile:
Now if Greg will just sign up!
I just saw him and Sasquatch in the NH woods just yesterday. [smilie=s:Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHenley
~Clayt
..and howdy, sed...didn't mean to walk right past you without sayin' a word.
hi river.
wouldnt bother me if you DID, i been gettin some of that lately, ha ha.
*shrugs*
whatever... which brings up a funny analogy of people? many will say there are dog people and cat people. Now, DOG people? they expect a warm welcome, the whole room has to run up and sniff them and run around. They own a DOG, they expect that.
ME? I own a CAT... cats are dfferent. One day? i might come home and get fur rubbed ALL over me, and all that. Other days? you say th cats name, and it turns around stiff legged, and lifts its tail STRAIGHT up in the air to you, and walks away stiff-legged (which is the CAT version of a middle finger, LOL)
It dont bother me none one way or the other. Maybe tomorrow the cat will rub up against me. *whatever* it is what it is.
I am a dog owner who loves watching my dog "interact" with cats. For some reason there is hissing, growling and a chase almost every time. The first time my field trial springer met a stray cat it was interesting. She was about 7 months old at the time. Cat backed in a corner, dog went to smell at it, cat hissed & took a swing, my dog growled and wet ape shit on it. Cat was lucky it got out of the fence under the gate.
My FIL had a dog that got along good with cats... As long as they didn't run. If they ran, as far as she was concerned it was now stmbk. (Something that must be killed). She didn't care where she was or the cat for that matter. The yard around the house was the most dangerous and the neighbors were cat people and took in every sray that came along. So, cats were always wondering out into the yard or field. Dog would see it and go to investigate. Cat would see the dog and try to make a run for. Dog would see cat running and her investigator mode would turn to stmbk mode. She'd catch it, shake the living crap out of it, and then shake it again for good measure. She was smart about too, she never drag them home for everyone to see, just left them dead in the field. I think she had a deal with the turkey buzzards! Had to be really careful,with her at houses with cats. She'd back them into a corner and wouldn't really bother them unless they took a swipe at her, hissed too much or tried to run. Hey look! Something that must be killed!
BB
We have a cat that has NO fear of dogs and dogs don't seem to know what to make of that. The neighbors' dogs used to come over and we'd let them into the house and hang out a while, but ever since we got Rudy they don't ask to be let in anymore. He wouldn't hurt a flee, but he sure has the dogs buffaloed. Our Siberian Husky treats him with great respect.
Doc you are not showing people that little tiny cartridge Greg sent me are you? That thing is clearly not big enough to kill a deer.
You guys remember Greg don't you?
J1. Yes, it is that tiny little cartridge, and yes it is more than powerful enough to kill a deer. Looks are deceiving, especially with this cartridge:Quote:
Originally Posted by j1
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Did you put water in the bucket first, and did you hand him toilet paper or the sunday times?
Doc to appreciate the cartridge you have to hold one in your hands. Greg sent me four dummy cartridges but I gave one to chuckslayer from the old board when he came over to shoot. Nice guy. Shoots a lot of woodchucks.
Doc it appears similar to the 300 Blackout and probably close in ballistics?
I believe it is closest balistically to the 6.5x54 Mannlicher/Schoenaur, just a hair slower. The Blackout/Whisper isn't even up to near the level of the .30-30. A 300yd killer as opposed to 100yds.
Vers, if I remember correctly one of the first ones to shoot deer took two does with their first shot at deer. Don't remember the distance but I believe it was over 200 yards.
Make sure that you put a little coal in the bucket before handing it to him. He might have thought that you were crude. Did you hand him T P too?
Doc I have three left but will not give any more away. Selfish? Perhaps but Greg sent four to me a very long time ago. It is still hard to believe the potency of the round. Now why do I find it hard to believe? Do you believe me when I tell you that I killed a doe with my Hornet? Right through the eye. She never even kicked. Young doe which have not run but died instantly are the best eating.