Does anybody know how many diffrent rifles use the same bullet as the 308?:neutral:
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Does anybody know how many diffrent rifles use the same bullet as the 308?:neutral:
Hello 30cal Welcome to the guide!!!
Alot of rounds use a 308 bullet, a few, 30carb, 30-30, 300sav, 307, 308, 06, 300win mag and many many more.
[QUOTE=Toney]Hello 30cal Welcome to the guide!!!
does that 300 win ultra mag. Ihave a problem with bullet set on my seating die.It wanders up and down .020 up or down
My new 243 Lee die was doing the same thing, I took it apart and the adjusting screw had a little step in the bottom the seater punch was hanging up on sometimes. I swapped it out with one out of my 6.5jap die and it works good now.
so should i take the die apart and check it
Do you think the model 7oo 300 winchester ultra magnum has good knock down power at 600 yards. Or should I get a 50caliber bmg.
I would. What kind of press do you have? Them alum presses have a lot of flex
Is anybody neck sizing only on rifle reloads or fullsizing I just neck size is that better than fullsizing
Its a lees aluminum press yes it has a lot of give
You hit something with that 50 and you're not going to have anything left to bring home. The 300 will do the job if you put'em where you want them.
The press is probably you're problem. Really need to get an iron press, i think the Lee classic press would be the way to go. If you keep looking around you can find a good used one, got my rcbs jr2 for $25 at a show in tulsa
yes thats what I think to the 300 ultras a good big game gun
its the lees aniversary press yeah its not a good press but a nice cheap learning tool for reloading
how do i use the chat
I do a lot of neck sizing but i always fullsize my hunting loads, you never now when you will need a reall fast reload for a follow up shot.
Last year i seen a deer wake up from a nap, had a good shot at its neck so i took it. A few seconds latter it got up and stumbled around a little bit and started walking off { i guess it was just streching after it's nap} man i wondered how the hell it got up so i shot it agian center mas to put it out DAM!!! got two!!!
The master just set that up for us it has'nt been used that much, i don't type fast enough to carry on a good conversation and don't spell that good either
I've achived incredible groups with with my model 700 308 adl with the lees anniversary press and a neck sizing die ! Im using a 43.5 grain load with a 168 grain head, Right out of the box factory match grade. A 700 adl synthetic out of the box is a pretty good gun. Sounds like some good shooting with a touch of luck neck shots can be lethal I prefer shoulder or head depends on the situation distance shots I prefer shoulder or neck!100 yarders gotta get them in the head
In general, you can achieve a better degree of accuracy with neck sizing and a bolt action or a single shot. If the rifle feeds smoothly (my .308 and .22-250 do) there's no reason to stress your brass out by full length sizing. If I were after dangerous game, I would probably be of a different opinion, but then I'd be shooting something a lot bigger than .30cal.
As to your press, .02 isn't a lot of play unless you are shooting bench rest. There's probably more play in the average shell holder. I load on an ancient RockChucker, but also use a Lee reloader for a priming tool and for boolit sizing, and it's plenty rugged enough to size long hard fat cast boolits without any problems. It's certainly no swaging press by any stretch of the imagination, but it's well made and the tolerances are close enough for very precise primer seating.
Personally, I would never consider a shot at deer sized game beyond 250yds, but I have a peep sight on my .308, not a scope. Even so, that is about the maximum range for a clean kill with the bullets I use for deer hunting. The magnums might give an extra 150 yards, at least in theory, but the amount of practice needed to be able to kill cleanly at 400 yards is more than 99% of the hunters out there are going to be willing to actually do. Anyone in my experience that shoots the 200 or so rounds a week out of a magnum rifle needed to maintain such proficiency is more likely to develop a world class flinch. I'm not saying you can't do it, just that it's unlikely. The people I know who are shooting competetively at very long ranges are not using the same kinds of scopes and bullets, and are generally launching them at speeds insufficient to deliver enough terminal energy at those longer ranges to kill cleanly and humanely. "Spray & pray" just doesn't cut it with me, and I hunt small and medium sized varmints out to 400yds and am well aware of how many rounds I have to shoot to keep the edge at those ranges. It isn't what rifle/chambering you have that gives you the ability to shoot at long ranges, it's the many, many thousands of rounds fired in practice over time that gradually increases your ability to kill cleanly at progressively longer ranges, and your growing familiarity with the rifle over time so that you are not guessing at its capabilities, but being sure of them as well as your own.
IF you can hit a game animal in the vitals at 600 yds, that would really be something. That's twice as far as I would shoot, and 6 times farther than I plan on shooting and 12 times farther than 90% of the game animals I have shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30cal
For ME, a 600 yds shot would be unethical, no matter what bullet dia., velocity or game shot at. Besides, I like to see the "OH CRAP" look in their eyes.
krag35
I neck size for my bolt guns, but levers, and semiautos get full length resized.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30cal
krag35
There's a basic rule of thumb when determining whether to neck, or full length size.
If the ammo you are loading will only be fired in "one rifle", fired brass from that rifle needs only to be neck sized. This will correct for head space problems in that rifle.
If the ammo may be used in more than one rifle of that caliber, and you do not know which rifle fired it the last time, full length size.
There is no associated problem with what kind of action the firearm has, as it applies to how you size it.
Fired brass from a particular auto loader, when necksized, and fed again into the same autoloader, the round will chamber perfectly.
G'day & welcome to the site 30 Cal
A Lee Classic would be a exellent choice For working with the larger cases . Now as it has been pointed out 600yds is a Bloody long way out with very little room for error of judgement ! I have shot for a living all of my working life (including a stint in the Army) I call 180yrds a long shot ! If I miss it costs me money . The way I read your hunting system in the US ,is that you are alloted so many Tags to shoot Deer, Elk,or what ever. So it would seem to me that every shot would have to be a winner!
I would be keeping my shots nice & close .Plus the fact there is the old problem of range guestamation ,I've seen a lot, Of shots taken by Blokes over the years that They reckoned that it had been at least 400yrds,where in reality it was only 200-250.No they were't exzagerating ! They honestly belived that what they had shot was that far out & were suprized that it was not as far as they thought ! Hell ! I've done it myself on many nights!
On the subject of sizing. I normaly only neck size & then full lenght resize every 6 or 7 loads or when the cases start to become sticky & then check case length as well ! For any Hunting that involes Large animals that can cause grevious bodily harm
I full lenght resize just ot be on the safe side & chamber each round to make sure it functions through the action just to make sure !
Dave
THIS ONES FOR THE NON-BELIVERS. I do practice once a week 3 rounds at 100 yards 6 rounds at 250 3-5 rounds at 310. YES You do have to practice considerablybut honestly after a while you get the feel of the rifle and understand that controlled breath and steadyness is the key I do use a scope and a range finder but you can only trust a range finder so far.I use calculations from my mil dot as well as a wind meter. No im not a irresponsible hunter if I dont think I can hit it I dont shoot. Alot of presses out there its all in the powder and seating depth full sizing is for auto and semi autos ,bolts should be neck sized only!
You dont have to belive I just wanted some input.
Far as 100's of rounds goes a week that isnt going to do nothing for you if your a hunter havnt you ever heard of cold fire ?
If your afraid of your gun put it in the gun case and stare at it
I use barnes bullets for hunting they are very destructive.
dok ever shoot a kangaroo
Mosko,
I've had levers, pumps, and semis that would only function with small base sized cases, even full length had difficulty feeding. This has not been the case with military actions like my Garand with more generous chambers, but with certain Remingtons (74's & 76's), Brownings (BLR's & BAR's), Winchesters (88's and 100's), and Rugers (mini 14's). Not every one of them to be honest, but enough of them to make it aggravating. If I'm loading hunting ammo for someone else, unless they are shooting a bolt, I always full length resize, and I have the sb dies in case there are problems. I will simply sell a rifle with a chamber so tight that it needs sb's, but there are a lot of them out there. I would love it if I could get away with neck sizing all the time, and for my own rifles, mostly I can.
Yes, I understand. Naturally if you're loading them for someone else, to neck size, you'd have to be certain that every case you loaded whould have to be provided by the person being loaded for, and that he / she had fired every one of the cases in the actual rifle that they were to be fired in again. It gets complicated doesn't it?
However, any rifle that fires a round, when the case is ejected undamaged, then necksized, and reloaded without altering the cases exterior dimentions, will fit perfectly into that chamber again!
After all, the chamber was used to "perfectly" size the case for that particular chamber. In another rifle the case may or may not chamber.
I get into this by having rifles, autoloaders, rolling block, bolt etc. that are one of a kind in my collection. Having only "one" weapon in some particular caliber, means that every case I have was fired in that "one" rifle. I find that the cases are perfectly sized for that rifle needing only neck sizing to hold the new projectile.
Full length sizing only means that the entire case will be resized to specs, (meaning slightly undersize) so that they will chamber in any rifle that caliber whether it has a tight spec chamber or not.
YMMV, but I have never had a problem using the above mentioned "rule of thumb".
Ok, lets see if I can remember them all!!! There are about 20!Quote:
Originally Posted by 30cal
30 M1 Carbean
300 savidge
303 savidge
30 herat
30/30 winchester
30/30 imp
30/40 krag
307 winchester
7.5X55 swiss
7.65 arg
30/06
30/06 imp
300 winchester short mag
300 remington short mag.
300 win mag
300 remington ulta mag
300 wetherby mag
30/378 wetherby
And some others that I do remember right now.
DANIEL/BS JR.
Good for you, If you feel confident, go for it, I do not, so I don't. Don't disbeleive you, just gave my input.Quote:
Originally Posted by 30cal
what is "cold fire"?
krag35
Just adding ones that come to mindQuote:
Originally Posted by Bullshop Junior
310 cadet
30/40 Krag imp.
308 Win
30 lever power
300 H&H Mag
7.62X25
7.62X54R
30 Luger
7.62X39
30/20 (modern 32\20)
308X1.5"
30-03
303 British
30/284
There are many that use the .308 dia projectile as y'all have listed. But, to keep someone from possibly being missled a bit, there should be a correction to the listed calibers.
7.62X54r Russian, 7.65 Argentine, and .303 British are not .308. Those three are .311 / .312. diameter projectiles.
And my .310 Cadet measures .320! A 308 would rattle in that bore.
Why are 50 bmg so expensive "its nuts" armalite makes a nice one! grizzlies are cheap' but look pretty crude probably shoot crude anyone shot a grizzly 50 cal ?bmg . Going out shooting at the rifle range most people fire several rounds through their rifle sighting in their scope. When you heat up your barrel it wanders not enough at close distance to notice say 30 or 50 yards but on distance shots you relly notice! So you fire your rifle once let it cool down swab it fire it again thus cold fire in the short! Input
Is hooking your rifle up to a vise and shooting it ;realy shooting I dont think so!
I must have been thinking of another little English cartridge, will have to dig out my books and look it up. thank you for the correction.Quote:
Originally Posted by C1PNR
krag35
So you fire your rifle once let it cool down swab it fire it again thus cold fire in the short! Input
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I know what you are talking about now, had never heard that term before. The first shot from a cold barrel is the one that counts. I have never had to shoot a "group" at a game animal, but a few have required more than one to keep them down.
krag35
can you reload 7.62 *54r in the winchester caseing its crimmped and im not familiar with it
30 Cal I've made my living as a Pro hunter all of my working life :mrgreen: In my case it's not have you ever shot a Kangaroo? It's a case of of how many Tonnes a night? (Approx 1.2tonne per night ,best night ever? 2.5 tonne or 60 Roos lightest weight 36kg !) I used to average about 6000 per year !:mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by 30cal
Dave