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casullman
03-06-2009, 10:07 PM
Anyone have any data for 233 rem using either SIE 55FMJ or SPR 62FMJ and IMR4064 ?? I would guess 22-24gns is a start but I can't find any print.

versifier
03-07-2009, 04:30 AM
I think you could use another couple of manuals. ;)

Here's tha data from Sierra:
.223 (Bolt Action)
Sierra .224 55grFMJBT OAL 2.250
IMR4064
2800...2900...3000...3100...3200
23.6....24.2....24.8....25.4....26.0MAX

Sierra 63grSMP OAL 2.250
IMR4064
2600...2700...2800...2900...3000...3100
22.6....23.3....24.0....24.7....25.4....26.1MAX

Lyman:
.224 55grSPT
IMR4064
23.0/2531 to 26.0(compressed)/2949MAX

.224 63grSMP
IMR4064
22.0/2409 to 25.0(compressed)/2808MAX

casullman
03-07-2009, 12:16 PM
Yes I do need more manuals. I just recently added three die sets to my managery and several boxes of spit wads which I don't have data for yet. Thank you for the help! Is it safe to use 63smp data for 62fmj??? Length below cannalure and all that? I never used any sie or spr spit wads before.

versifier
03-07-2009, 05:19 PM
It is safe to use data for a slightly heavier bulet, as long as it is for a bullet of similar construction: jacketed with different profiles, even FMJ, as long as it has a lead core. It is never safe to use data for a lighter bullet with more than a few grains difference or to use jacketed data for solid bullets. As to the OAL, it's always lower in pressure if it's longer (more powder capacity in the case), as long as it will feed through the magazine and chamber without problems. If the profile is radically different, like you have data for a round nose and you want to load a VLD, then it's wiser to do your homework and find data from the bullet maker for it.

With revolvers and semiauto pistols it is also safe to use jacketed data for cast bullets of similar weight. Most jacketed loads in rifles have to be reduced, sometimes drastically, before similar weight cast bullets can be used or else serious barrel leading can result, even if the cast bullets are sized properly for the bore.

runfiverun
03-09-2009, 04:37 AM
if versifier can't find it, or make the facts clear, i don't know who can.

versifier
03-09-2009, 06:32 PM
Just for the record, I don't have all the manuals, and there are quite a few powders I have absolutely no experience with. But when someone asks me a question I don't know the answer to, I get curious and want to know too, so I go looking for it. When I ask my doctor a difficult question (she's a very petite but feisty French lady with a very thick Quebec accent) she always says, "I do not know, but I know where to find out! I agree 100% with her attitude. There's always so much more to learn about cartridges, components, and the guns we fire them in. The subject fascinates me, and I (fortunately or unfortunately depending upon how you look at it) have lots of time to try to chase down those elusive answers. But when I can't find an answer, I know that someone on one of our three forums or over at RLB or the Campfire will be able to answer it. We have lots of members here who have a lot more knowledge and experience than I do in many areas and I depend on you to fill in the blanks in what I know. Every time someone here asks a question, I learn something too, and it is a pleasure to be able to connect the questions (and questioners) with good answers.

casullman
03-10-2009, 01:02 PM
.If one ceases to learn he has given up. I also subscribe to the personal quest for more knowledge of any kind (almost). Always a pleasure chatting on RG. Thank you for the info.