just venting about anti-gun experience

[RugerSP101]

I went to walmart the other evening looking for black belt webbing to get some ideas about how I might end up carrying.
After looking I asked one of the guys if they had those belts used for hunting equipment and he told me to ask this other gent.
So I asked him and the topic of what I was using it for came up. So I just told him that Im getting my CHL and need a belt I can take off easily for my holster. I noticed a very quick change in the demeanor of two of the guys standing there.
I had said it sort of low because there was a family with young kids within about 12 feet and I figured there was no need in causing them to get bent out of shape, but these guys at the sporting goods counter, two of them anyway, seemed like frightened little girls when I even mentioned the CHL.
What, you nimrods dont see all the GUN ammunition that your store SELLS just 4 feet away. Youve never seen a GUN before ?

People like THAT are the ones who worry me. They are so afraid of guns that they'll vote any worthless anti-gun politician they can into office and wont figure it out until martial law is declared and they have no freedoms or rights left.

Just had to vent about an experience I had yesterday.

I went to my bank to get a money order for my fingerprint fee since I need a duplicate firearms ID card since I moved. ( I know that I should not need to get printed again, but since many pd's like to make up their own rules it is not worth arguing with my local pd over this and potentially causing issues or tension)

While I was getting the money order the cashier noticed the paper from the police dept that had the fees listed and probed as to what the money order was for and if I had gotten in trouble for tickets or something similar. I found this odd and slightly insulting so I explained that it was for a fingerprint fee for a firearms ID card. I should have kept my mouth shut- as soon as I said this one of the other tellers proceeded to act very dramatic and started saying that she was very scared ( the teller I was with joined in) and that she hated "those things" and that people "like me" scared her. Then they started asking if I had a gun on me??????????

My responce was - " no- and ignporant people like you scare me."

As you can tell I am still fuming about this today. I though of going back and talking to the branch manager but I doubt it will help, I am still considering it though.
I am just fed up with guns and gun owners being demonized.

Sorry for the rant but I just wanted to get this off my chest
Ilya

[runfiverun]

have you noticed what they are teaching children about guns in school?
gotta scream and faint at the mere mention.

[Jim_Fleming]

sorry for jumping on the wagon so late, but I'm still new, and still exploring this wonderful board.

WELL SAID versifier!

Except that in my case, I would have included the info to the bank officers the fact that I was going close my accounts at the end of the letters, and I would have sent a CC: copy of the letter to the editor of my local paper. Yeah I know that would tell the whole world that Jim Fleming has a gun permit, which he does incidentally, but Jim Fleming is not going to allow mere bank tellers to treat him that way.

And yes, closing the accounts wouldn't have done anything beyond the fact that it would make me feel better, and tell the bank where to get off with B.S. policies like that, etc.

Take Care,

Jim

A letter to both the branch manager and his/her area manager/supervisor are in order. Make it polite, calm in tone, and include all of the details you posted, and at the bottom of each letter, type "cc: (name of the other recipient)". Tell how you felt both threatened and alienated by the actions of the tellers while lawfully exercising your civil rights as an American citizen as guaranteed by the US Constitution, and that you are as a result very reluctant to do any further business in the future with any business whose employees not only did not respect the privacy of a customer, but would treat any law abiding citizen in such an outrageous manner. Don't threaten them and don't demand anything from them. See if you get a response. If not, or if the response is not acceptable to you, change banks and send copy(s) of the letter(s) to your local paper. We do not need to put up with such treatment, and if our protests are made in a reasonable, calm, and polite manner, we are more likely to be able to convince those sitting on the fence. You are placing the bank manager in a no win situation, and the easiest way out of it for him/her is to apologize to you, and by sending a copy to his/her boss at the same time you insure that the matter is not swept under the rug.

[golddigger]

I started to teach my oldest daughter how to shot and gun safety and also help with my reloading. She was so proud that she had told her teacher that her dad was teaching her this sport and hobby.

Well can you guess where this is going.
My wife and I got called to school.
They then started asking if I had a gun safe, gun locks, ect, ect, ect.
I was polite but getting real pissed. Then they told me they would put it in her permanet file that Dad ownes guns and that she knows how to use them. Then they explaind to me that they were going to inform the local and county law enforcement of this.

They told me that things would be better if they banned guns all the way around.

I could not hold back any longer. I blew up and told them that I was friends with 3 deputies and my best friend is the lead detective for the city and that we shot with the city and county law enforcement. I gave them there personel cell numbers and demanded that they call them.

When that was done I told them if my daughter was treated any different in any way not only wold I have there jobs but i Would own every thing they owned and would own the school district. I also told them that I was going to submitt letters to the school board and that these letters would stay in there personel file for as long as they were there.

Lets just say they tried to kiss my butt

[Jim_Fleming]

ya know... It's awfully peculiar how the flaming liberals back off when they get slammed in the face with good sense and logic...

Good Job Gold Digger

Perhaps they should've puckered up...?

Jim

[armyrat1970]

I started to teach my oldest daughter how to shot and gun safety and also help with my reloading. She was so proud that she had told her teacher that her dad was teaching her this sport and hobby.

Well can you guess where this is going.
My wife and I got called to school.
They then started asking if I had a gun safe, gun locks, ect, ect, ect.
I was polite but getting real pissed. Then they told me they would put it in her permanet file that Dad ownes guns and that she knows how to use them. Then they explaind to me that they were going to inform the local and county law enforcement of this.

They told me that things would be better if they banned guns all the way around.

I could not hold back any longer. I blew up and told them that I was friends with 3 deputies and my best friend is the lead detective for the city and that we shot with the city and county law enforcement. I gave them there personel cell numbers and demanded that they call them.

When that was done I told them if my daughter was treated any different in any way not only wold I have there jobs but i Would own every thing they owned and would own the school district. I also told them that I was going to submitt letters to the school board and that these letters would stay in there personel file for as long as they were there.

Lets just say they tried to kiss my butt

Of course it is a down right insult but one can only expect such things with the way things are going with the idiots that are using weapons to shoot up schools and kill innocent young people at a reckless pace. I would not have liked the questioning either but you have to understand the concern from them for one thing. The safety of the children they have in the school under their care. Doesn't matter if they are a gun advocate or anti gun, they have their concern for the children under their care. That you should feel good about. Even if your pride was hurt a little.

[armyrat1970]

I started to teach my oldest daughter how to shot and gun safety and also help with my reloading. She was so proud that she had told her teacher that her dad was teaching her this sport and hobby.

Well can you guess where this is going.
My wife and I got called to school.
They then started asking if I had a gun safe, gun locks, ect, ect, ect.
I was polite but getting real pissed. Then they told me they would put it in her permanet file that Dad ownes guns and that she knows how to use them. Then they explaind to me that they were going to inform the local and county law enforcement of this.

They told me that things would be better if they banned guns all the way around.

I could not hold back any longer. I blew up and told them that I was friends with 3 deputies and my best friend is the lead detective for the city and that we shot with the city and county law enforcement. I gave them there personel cell numbers and demanded that they call them.

When that was done I told them if my daughter was treated any different in any way not only wold I have there jobs but i Would own every thing they owned and would own the school district. I also told them that I was going to submitt letters to the school board and that these letters would stay in there personel file for as long as they were there.

Lets just say they tried to kiss my butt

Of course it is a down right insult but one can only expect such things with the way things are going with the idiots that are using weapons to shoot up schools and kill innocent young people at a reckless pace. I would not have liked the questioning either but you have to understand the concern from them for one thing. The safety of the children they have in the school under their care. Your children. Doesn't matter if they are a gun advocate or anti gun, they have their concern for the children under their care. That you should feel good about. Even if your pride was hurt a little.

[versifier]

I'm sorry, but I cannot agree.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

If we give up our freedoms in the name of security we will have neither in the end.

To interrogate a child in such a matter is unconsionable, and no excuse they give for it can ever make it acceptable unless one or both parents are convicted felons, mentally ill, or drug dealers. Aside for it being absolutely none of their damned business, it sets a precedent of invasion of the privacy of home and family life that will have lasting and extremely negative repercussions in all of our lives. Those responsible should be finding out the hard way just how difficult decent jobs are to come by in today's economy. A week or so on the night shift of the local convenience store trying to keep the crack heads from stealing everything that isn't nailed down might be a real eye opener. As will the cold reality of dealing with actual armed robbers with nothing more than their soiled underwear for protection. After that, proper instruction of children in safe and responsible use and handling of firearms ultimately resulting in more responsible armed citizens walking around in the community might just seem like a smarter way to live in today's admittedly dangerous world.

Giving in to institutional paranoia is no way to keep anyone safe, and as soon as that is gotten through the heads of the "educated" (if it ever can be) we can begin to look rationally at ways that might have some chance of succeeding. I see no reason why honest, law abiding citizens with no criminal record and no history of paranoia, voilence, or other mental illness, or drug abuse should not be able to carry in our schools, and this includes teachers and school staff who are properly permitted as per the laws of individual states. This also extends to all forms of public transportation and to all public buildings including POST OFFICES (except our court houses - that restriction does make sense as long as it does not apply to judges, court employees, and jurors, all of whom are put at risk.). Fearing the law abiding, the foundation of our society, and knuckling under to the real criminals and paranoids in power is tearing America apart before our very eyes.

Rant concluded.

[runfiverun]

if i had a way to print that versifier i would send that in to the local paper for editorial.
even in a small town like i live in it is the teachers that are trying to indoctrinate the sense of fear and loathing,that guns should bring. [according to them]
trust me, their viewpoints being countered by a student will get that students grade lowered.
thought it was kinda strange my youngest daughter was on the honor roll and yet could not get her grade above a [barely ] a c in one class.
guess which class the teacher was very vocally anti second ammendment in...

[Sensai]

If the "educational system" really wanted to increase the security in our schools we would have a voluntary course in firearms familiarization and safety offered in each school, teachers would be REQUIRED to carry arms, and the gun taboo would be abolished. I'm sure that all of this will occur by next semester. Right??